Ah hell, another video in the studio!! Got me all pumped up. The beat they were workin on turned into a classic for a second there but then they kept on going and it fell off. Love that all these guys are in there trying to make some music,but damn, this video makes Dre look bad....When I found out Dre didnt write his own shit when I was like 16 it was like finding out wrestling was fake, but then again I told myself that Dre was a producer not a rapper, so the dope beats for a written rap was a fair trade,but nowadays in these videos im seeing that he isnt producing the beats even, just tweaking them, just like J Flexx says on his diss track, its like he is a midget standing on a giant's shoulders.
I dont know how it works, are these guys getting paid to be in the studio by Dre? Or do they only get paid if they come up with something used on the album?
Still cant wait for detox, gonna drank a 40 and a half the day it comes out! But ima listen to it as it is, not a dre project, but an everymotha fucka under the sun project. "Is that Dre Over There?" No its everybody but Dre in the studio working on Dres album. Sorry for Pluggin'
logical shit right here. exactly how i feel about detox at this point. cant wait for it to come out but all the credit should not go to dre like it usually does.
That is producing, these guys are paid either for their time or contribution. It does not matter. They produce the raw material and Dre sews it together taking bits and pieces as he likes. I'm going to burst another bubble for you now, have you heard the term session musician? Just about all music is recorded with session musicians and that is what these guys are in effect. To expect Dre to do it all is like believing a general fires every shot in a war. The general and indeed Dre's genius is in using the right tool (human or otherwise) for the right job and there are many tools and jobs. He plans and coordinates the work and takes the credit for the whole. There maybe one or two bits he can use from the above session. If he spots something that fits with another project he'll disregard 99% of the session and take that and add it to another piece of work. His genius is in his ear and arrangement. The guys in the video are just builders laying bricks, they come up with fairly good sounding beats but few are capable of turning them in to a fully polished hit and Dre is the best in the world at doing what he does, it's naive to think he creates every sound like Rambo taking on the red army on his own.
How could it be that the chronic 2001 took 9 months, en detox takes 10 years. i know that dre worked really hard on other artists for years. but how could it possibly be? you got the best producers all together, you dont need more than 2 years then to make a genius album in a situation like that..
West coast rappers and producers stop waiting on dr dre .Make some dope beats get the dope ass rappers we already got like snoop dogg ,bishop lamont ,too short ,e-40 the list goes on and on take your picks . Even get some real gangbang or d-boyz that can rap ,not like there's a shortage of those in cali.Drop some hood ass compilations find the stand out rappers drop solo albums put the west back on the map.One rapper aint gonna do it alone.start making noize again constantly i bet you dre will drop some shit and take rap back from the lollipoppers .Nor cal So cal stand up.
If people believe someone like Dr. Dre's stature literally sits there by himself composing beats from scratch for every production credited to his name, they're not very knowledgeable about how this works in the first place. I get the disappointment in feeling misled or cheated that Dre doesn't organically produce his own tracks, but it doesn't mean it isn't his own production.
Yes, these guys are paid well for their time and work in the studio, and if someone comes through with material or a completed beat that Dre likes, he'll write them a check for it and they'll get their name on it if it sees the light of day outside the studio. It isn't as clear-cut or simple as people think, and like someone pointed out, Dre takes the pieces he feels has potential and sews them together like a surgeon in every possible way and method you can and can't imagine until the end product is in another galaxy of his own creation. He can take a ready-made beat and by just mixing it his way will make it unrecognizably next-level than what you assumed it would end up being. The devil is in the details. Dre is a producer's producer because of the dense perfection layered over every detail humanly audible. It's like comparing Bach to another classical composer; to a regular person comparing a sample composition from each sound pretty much the same, but if you know how to listen and what to listen for, the difference is night and day.
Dre isn't a composer or multi-instrumentalist, he has session musicians recreate samples for example, but it's his micromanaging, direction, and surgical detail for perfection that sets his productions apart from just about everyone else on the decks. That is what people complaining have to understand, and I assure you if you really learn to develop your ear for details layered and leveled within his tracks, you'll find I'm not full of shit and hear exactly what I'm talking about. If these guys in the video come up with anything good to Dre's ears, then he takes it and takes all the time in the world until it's 100% exactly what he hears in his head. Absolutely no tracks on Detox will make the cut that haven't been under his microscope, taken thoroughly inside-out, meticulously mixed and leveled to his high standard, and wind up an end product that hasn't been entirely micromanaged by him. That is why Detox is his album and they're his productions, otherwise they wouldn't and couldn't come close to their existence without his slow ass perfectionist methods.
You guys have to understand the difference between being a producer and being a beatmaker. It used to be that they were one and the same thing, but since sampling went away, all of that changed. A beatmaker may throw a bunch of sounds together to make a basic track, but a producer will come behind him and decide what each different element should sound like. Should the guitars be clean, distorted, wah-wah, etc. Or I like the keyboard line, but maybe try it with a different sound, like a saxophone instead of that '80s keyboard sound. Where each instrument should come in or drop out, what gets hit with reverb, what to leave alone, etc. Plus, it's the producer's job to keep everybody focused on the subject of a given song, so he has to know what the intention of the song is before the song is even started.
Ah hell, another video in the studio!! Got me all pumped up. The beat they were workin on turned into a classic for a second there but then they kept on going and it fell off. Love that all these guys are in there trying to make some music,but damn, this video makes Dre look bad....When I found out Dre didnt write his own shit when I was like 16 it was like finding out wrestling was fake, but then again I told myself that Dre was a producer not a rapper, so the dope beats for a written rap was a fair trade,but nowadays in these videos im seeing that he isnt producing the beats even, just tweaking them, just like J Flexx says on his diss track, its like he is a midget standing on a giant's shoulders.
ReplyDeleteI dont know how it works, are these guys getting paid to be in the studio by Dre? Or do they only get paid if they come up with something used on the album?
Still cant wait for detox, gonna drank a 40 and a half the day it comes out! But ima listen to it as it is, not a dre project, but an everymotha fucka under the sun project. "Is that Dre Over There?" No its everybody but Dre in the studio working on Dres album. Sorry for Pluggin'
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logical shit right here. exactly how i feel about detox at this point. cant wait for it to come out but all the credit should not go to dre like it usually does.
DeleteThat is producing, these guys are paid either for their time or contribution. It does not matter. They produce the raw material and Dre sews it together taking bits and pieces as he likes. I'm going to burst another bubble for you now, have you heard the term session musician? Just about all music is recorded with session musicians and that is what these guys are in effect. To expect Dre to do it all is like believing a general fires every shot in a war. The general and indeed Dre's genius is in using the right tool (human or otherwise) for the right job and there are many tools and jobs. He plans and coordinates the work and takes the credit for the whole. There maybe one or two bits he can use from the above session. If he spots something that fits with another project he'll disregard 99% of the session and take that and add it to another piece of work. His genius is in his ear and arrangement. The guys in the video are just builders laying bricks, they come up with fairly good sounding beats but few are capable of turning them in to a fully polished hit and Dre is the best in the world at doing what he does, it's naive to think he creates every sound like Rambo taking on the red army on his own.
DeleteHow could it be that the chronic 2001 took 9 months, en detox takes 10 years. i know that dre worked really hard on other artists for years. but how could it possibly be? you got the best producers all together, you dont need more than 2 years then to make a genius album in a situation like that..
DeleteOMFG that shit was insane man! I need part 4
ReplyDeleteDOPE!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThey get paid for being there. more if a track gets used
ReplyDeleteWest coast rappers and producers stop waiting on dr dre .Make some dope beats get the dope ass rappers we already got like snoop dogg ,bishop lamont ,too short ,e-40 the list goes on and on take your picks . Even get some real gangbang or d-boyz that can rap ,not like there's a shortage of those in cali.Drop some hood ass compilations find the stand out rappers drop solo albums put the west back on the map.One rapper aint gonna do it alone.start making noize again constantly i bet you dre will drop some shit and take rap back from the lollipoppers .Nor cal So cal stand up.
ReplyDeleteis dre even there at the session?
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in these sessions he hasnt been in them. just take these snoop studio sessions 'lightly'.
DeleteIf people believe someone like Dr. Dre's stature literally sits there by himself composing beats from scratch for every production credited to his name, they're not very knowledgeable about how this works in the first place. I get the disappointment in feeling misled or cheated that Dre doesn't organically produce his own tracks, but it doesn't mean it isn't his own production.
ReplyDeleteYes, these guys are paid well for their time and work in the studio, and if someone comes through with material or a completed beat that Dre likes, he'll write them a check for it and they'll get their name on it if it sees the light of day outside the studio. It isn't as clear-cut or simple as people think, and like someone pointed out, Dre takes the pieces he feels has potential and sews them together like a surgeon in every possible way and method you can and can't imagine until the end product is in another galaxy of his own creation. He can take a ready-made beat and by just mixing it his way will make it unrecognizably next-level than what you assumed it would end up being. The devil is in the details. Dre is a producer's producer because of the dense perfection layered over every detail humanly audible. It's like comparing Bach to another classical composer; to a regular person comparing a sample composition from each sound pretty much the same, but if you know how to listen and what to listen for, the difference is night and day.
Dre isn't a composer or multi-instrumentalist, he has session musicians recreate samples for example, but it's his micromanaging, direction, and surgical detail for perfection that sets his productions apart from just about everyone else on the decks. That is what people complaining have to understand, and I assure you if you really learn to develop your ear for details layered and leveled within his tracks, you'll find I'm not full of shit and hear exactly what I'm talking about. If these guys in the video come up with anything good to Dre's ears, then he takes it and takes all the time in the world until it's 100% exactly what he hears in his head. Absolutely no tracks on Detox will make the cut that haven't been under his microscope, taken thoroughly inside-out, meticulously mixed and leveled to his high standard, and wind up an end product that hasn't been entirely micromanaged by him. That is why Detox is his album and they're his productions, otherwise they wouldn't and couldn't come close to their existence without his slow ass perfectionist methods.
You guys have to understand the difference between being a producer and being a beatmaker. It used to be that they were one and the same thing, but since sampling went away, all of that changed. A beatmaker may throw a bunch of sounds together to make a basic track, but a producer will come behind him and decide what each different element should sound like. Should the guitars be clean, distorted, wah-wah, etc. Or I like the keyboard line, but maybe try it with a different sound, like a saxophone instead of that '80s keyboard sound. Where each instrument should come in or drop out, what gets hit with reverb, what to leave alone, etc. Plus, it's the producer's job to keep everybody focused on the subject of a given song, so he has to know what the intention of the song is before the song is even started.
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